I have begun to wonder if the BF Goodrich G force tires might just do as well for a significant reduction in cost over the pilots? But the first 15 to 20 thousand miles the Pilots were very good at traction and ride over those stock banana tire! Also, I have seen where the conti Extreme is a significant reduction in cost as well over pilots. I only drive in rain when I get caught in it.....and snow I couldn't care less, I never drive the Cat in snow at all. It's been in rain only when caught, and this year that's happened more than any other years.