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Rear end choices for big hp drag cars….

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A few here know I converted my build to the DragPak 4-link rear two years ago. Most would consider that to be a super expensive track only thing compared to staying with the IRS. Let’s compare….. Once you move into the 8 second arena, things have to get serious if you want to get down the track with any degree of consistency. With the IRS, the minimum is the AAD control arm set with cradle lockouts, the full Performance brace, aftermarket axles (G-Force Outlaws or the latest DSS) and a 15” brake conversion. Got the motor to go low 8’s with dreams of a 7 in the future? Add the HemiTuner billet diff with the new Wavetrac LSD and some Hellcat specific coilover shocks front and rear and you’re ready to go for it. Wait! How much does that “street car” setup cost? I just added it all up and I got…. $16,000 (and that doesn’t count the wheels) 🫤. The MPR DragPak setup I got was $7500 two years ago. I imagine it’s more now but without calling to check… I’m guessing $8500. That consists of a Strange Engineering housing and aluminum carrier with a 9” Pro Gear (your choice ratio) and a 40 spline spool. You can get the Wavetrac if you want. The axles are Strange 40 spline gun drilled that are super light and much stronger than any CV axle. Also included are the Strange billet caliper brakes and Strange 20 point adjustable shocks with Hyperco springs in your choice weight to work with your car. This is basically the same setup that came in the 2015 Factory Stock Dragpaks from the guy who built them. Of coarse there are some additional costs with the 4-link. Because the stock fuel tank has to be removed, you have to replace that with a fuel cell. Mine is a 15 gallon custom aluminum tank that I placed in the spare tire well in the trunk. Perfect fit with enough volume to allow for street driving if needed. There are a ton of options here as far as fuel systems go. From in-tank pumps like the Fore systems that most at this level are using already to external sump fed Aeromotive pumps like I’m using now. My custom tank was around $600 and was fabricated by the shop that did the install along with my cage. There are a practically unlimited number of prefabricated tanks available thru Summit as a option. So…. that leaves install cost. The 4-link is still about $7,000 under the max effort IRS so let’s compare. Some will be able to do the IRS install work themselves, where that’s not likely on the 4-link. If you have to pay shop labor to drop the cradle and do the complete IRS setup with brakes and everything, you’re probably looking at $2,000. Carlin Fabrication in Calif who does these 4-link installs now gets around $5,000 for the whole thing if you already have a cage and just a few add-ons are needed to support the 4-link attachment points. Of coarse they can do a whole cage and tie it into the install but that would obviously be more. Just for the sake of comparison… if you had to pay shop labor to do the Max Effort IRS vs the cost of the 4-link without cage…... I think you would still be at least $3,000 ahead with the DragPak. What are the benefits?….. 300 lb weight reduction for one. Much better weight transfer to the track on a less then max prep surface. There are many that have seen some incredible 60’ numbers with the IRS on a well prepped surface. Me included. My best with the IRS at 4550 lbs was a 1.26. I also experienced the frustration of not being able to hook at all on the open test and tune surface when being shared with street cars. This where the 4-link is much better. Now a 1.3 is considered horrible. Once I get it fully dialed in, I doubt I’ll ever see one of those again. Anyway….. just some info to consider for anybody planning to go stupid. I’ll include some pic in a few minutes.
 


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Lot's of useful info here Marc. Thank you.
I have a few questions but I suspect the pics will answer most of them so I'll wait.
 


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Pretty sure anyone interested at this level are already familiar with the AAD stuff and even the HemiTuner billet diff. Very nice stuff! Here’s some pics of the MPR DragPak package…., 7E27283B-EB4F-471A-B2BE-2A0474B85517.jpeg DE91C1BC-F1AB-4FC5-B710-3BBBEE570330.jpeg 8E4AEDF0-098C-4E41-8BD0-86319917B817.jpeg 8F842841-58BE-4CD2-8D9F-E572D7EF28D7.jpeg C23AC58D-B8AE-4A49-B49B-FD87540FA689.jpeg 72BE0E2F-3BD0-460E-AEB5-1261DA6F30FC.jpeg 25D905A1-849F-4D9C-BCD2-51555A63130B.jpeg AE672571-A0F2-4B41-894F-5156DEB7BA0F.jpeg
 


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Installed…. 657C8679-4B11-4BFE-91A4-E119EF403A4B.jpeg 1A155B83-3069-4EA2-A86F-99D4BDF74E41.jpeg 38B5302D-E1BD-4B7D-A51A-8B37F0625653.jpeg 2D6C71C2-54B4-42E9-8331-B8702217568E.jpeg 94A5AB13-EE17-4DB7-B43E-A4724214FE87.jpeg C6E43C58-8453-40F6-BFEE-74A3D0D5DB78.jpeg 16A8F606-B5D9-4661-9E31-65F0D8F83E54.jpeg 2B2772BA-0E53-4832-8D6F-9511FAC559E3.jpeg 205B220D-F14B-4F9C-81CA-6CA0E2A659DB.jpeg 8A6F70E8-0E16-4B35-A842-EA33C8182EA3.jpeg 9094EBFD-CB15-4DFF-B815-934B69F69BE1.jpeg
 


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Fuel tank. Mine is 15 gallons with a sump to feed the external Aeromotive pump. I wouldn’t recommend this as it is noisy and expensive. High hp drag cars use these, but I would recommend a intank system even at this level with ethanol. Last picture is with the monster 10 gallon ice box. Bigger is better. 😝 132CBF40-EAAC-4201-9D1E-9B2A3C6A2EC8.jpeg 60C2D140-35A8-4C5A-8540-DF29C28DAB89.jpeg 3F6E1580-B55F-47E1-8AB1-4C6966E85CF4.jpeg 68585F59-A108-40BA-982C-248184DED2A4.jpeg 9F66D753-7490-4BFD-ACAC-F17BE4712B54.jpeg
 


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Nice write up and pictures where is your exhaust dumping out ?
 


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Lastly…. A suspension like this has to have adjustable shocks to adapt to track conditions. That goes for the IRS also. The really heavy hitter cars producing anything near consistent track performance have coil overs. Commonly Menscers. The MPR DragPak package includes Strange Engineering adjustables. 64169EEE-C98E-46E7-9B18-3C1907034E50.jpeg 0F93C0FE-E26F-4133-B928-8EEB4179175C.jpeg D6351CF3-607D-4964-B862-B49E3053B59B.jpeg
 


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Nice write up and pictures where is your exhaust dumping out ?
. Current setup right off the collector. 28901728-E3AF-42DB-8817-6F1B6C18F875.jpeg E1B1CB5D-5004-43B6-8208-7FD43EBE8B1D.jpeg
 


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Man that's full on race car commitment there. I'm currently trying to decide on the Billet rear myself. that way I can keep the new DSS axles and P4D brace I just installed. only issue is they aren't readily available.
 


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Man that's full on race car commitment there. I'm currently trying to decide on the Billet rear myself. that way I can keep the new DSS axles and P4D brace I just installed. only issue is they aren't readily available.
Has the noise got under control with these?
 


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Has the noise got under control with these?
Like Jon said, I would ask people that are using them if there are any noise. A friend of ours had 2 in said both made noise driving the car. He said sounded like a semi
 


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Man that's full on race car commitment there. I'm currently trying to decide on the Billet rear myself. that way I can keep the new DSS axles and P4D brace I just installed. only issue is they aren't readily available.
We’ll it is certainly a hotrod commitment. These cars still actually drive nicely. The 4-link with the 175 lb springs all around and the big fat staypuff’s on the rear are very soft and comfortable around town. Obviously there isn’t going to be any aggressive cornering. The other thing is the TH400. That is such a sweet transmission. Some people say that it’s a race only transmission. Not for the street!!! Bullshit. It shifts and drives better than the A8. Ask somebody who knows. Oh.. that’s me. 😂 The only thing that sucks is the manual steering. That SUCKS
 


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I’ll second the in tank pump, my external FuelLab was also a constant reminder that I was DD’ing a race car.
 


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I’ll second the in tank pump, my external FuelLab was also a constant reminder that I was DD’ing a race car.
Haha. My Aeromotive 7gpm brushless sounds like a cat in heat. It’s starting to quiet down a little now with some use but everybody in the pits knows when I turn it on before start. Not a good choice for the street.
 


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I Don’t Know I have stock shocks and springs in my car. And controller in my car 4-5 all passes within a .010 of each other
Z has a stock diff in his car yet. (Fastest in the world )
Wave trac just came out
Don’t need the aad parts
Billet diff not needed
You can do it with axes, diff brace and 15 inch rear brakes.

and my car is 4650 pounds
 


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Has the noise got under control with these?
not sure but I think ill be better served to go with a built trans before the rear so I'm changing my plan to that at this point. this is my issue I over think everything
 


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not sure but I think ill be better served to go with a built trans before the rear so I'm changing my plan to that at this point. this is my issue I over think everything
No mike over thinks everything
 


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I just did this last summer to my Chevy
Moser 9"
Cal tracs
calvert shocks
wilwood discs
3.70 gear with posi and 35 spline axles. The goal for the car isn't 7s thats for damn sure. But this combo has been used on a few cars I know that are way into the 8s and street driven. All in it was about $7500. Not cheap but it works and holds up to HP.
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