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I'm creating this thread to build a summary of all the info, and eventually may move it to the wiki.

Anyone who would like to contribute, please do so, but I ask that this thread be light on discussion, just raw data. There are numerous other threads already for discussion on these topics which I follow.

I will place the results within the first few messages. I will follow them with a few posts of data I have collected both as the data and also to serve as examples for the data and post format I'd prefer.

The data I'm interested in and the format I'd prefer:

car: Challenger or Charger
lowered: "no" or 0
- or -
lowered front: N" using X kit
lowered rear: M" using Y kit

front: <wheel size> <ET> <wheel brand> <wheel model>
rear: <wheel size> <ET> <wheel brand> <wheel model>

front: <tire size> <tire brand> <tire model>
rear: <tire size> <tire brand> <tire model>

front: "fits" or "rubs, needed <mods>"
rear: "fits" or "rubs, needed <mods>"

Optionally:
front section: section width measurement of actual wheel/tire combo
rear section: section width measurement of actual wheel/tire combo

front diam: diameter measurement of actual wheel/tire combo
rear diam: diameter measurement of actual wheel/tire combo

notes: include here any other measurements, eg of clearance between fender lip and tire, protrusion amount, amount of tire sidewall bulge, actual measured outside width of wheel (not just inside spec) etc.

photos: photos are of course welcome, especially those that focus on fitment and profile showing how much a combination tucks in or is flush with the car or how much wheel well gap exists, however, please don't quote photos unecessarily--I'd like this thread to stay information dense and not get filled with scrolling noise

Please caption each photo completely and explicitly.

Notes:
replace front+rear with "square" if they are the same
<ET> should be explicit on the +/- and be formatted as one of:
<ET of wheel>
<ET of wheel> <spacer> = <total ET>
eg:
-2.5mm
+25mm
+21mm 3mm = +18mm

if you tried the same combo with and without spacers before eliminating rub simply expand the fitment entries like so (please be explicit and write it as "total ET" so as to be clear):

front: fits
rear: fits with +18mm total ET
rear: rubs with +20mm total ET until minor tub mod
rear: rubs with +21mm total ET

Hard Requirements:
- "fits" should only be said for combinations not requiring any mods (spacers don't count as mods)
- DO NOT say that a combination "fits" or no longer "rubs" unless it absolutely does not rub at any suspension extreme, eg even if it only rubs in hard cornering if you hit a bump just right IT DOES NOT FIT for the purposes of this data.
- limit individual posts to describing a single combination, one front, one rear. In all these other threads it's just far too easy for people to wind up posting confusing, useless info when they talk about multiple combinations in the same few sentences--it winds up causing a dozen follow-up posts of people asking for clarification which is just noise.

As an example, here's a thread with similar purpose with a similar format to what I'm hoping this can be:

Lowering, Offset, and Rolling Fenders..GURUS
 
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Challenger Tire & Wheel combinations, stock height

All:
5x115mm pattern
71.5mm hub bore

OEM HC 2015/16:
square: 20x9.5 +18.5mm 29lbs

OEM HC 5-spoke:
square: 20x9.5 +18.5mm 25.67lbs

OEM HC WB:
square: 20x11 -2.5mm

OEM Demon:
front: 18x11 -4.5mm 24lbs
rear: 20x11 -2.5mm

Possible wheel sizes that can work w/o mods (depending on tire):

front: 20x10 +20mm
front: 20x10.5 +12mm

max rear: 20x10.5 +22mm
max rear: 20x11 +18mm

min rear: 18x10 +20mm can clear swaybar endlinks

Known to rub:

rear: 20x10.5 +27mm
rear: 20x11 +25mm
rear: 20x11 +20mm


Known good combinations front/square (w/o mods)

OEM HC w/Goodyear 285/35/20
OEM HC w/Michelin PS4S 285/35/20
OEM HC w/Michelin PSS 295/35/20
Bravado Tributes 20x9.5 +18mm w/Continental DW 275/40/20
Factory Repro Demon 20x9.5 +15mm w/Continental ExtremeContact Sport 275/40/20
Voxx Demon Replica 20x9.5 +20mm w/Nitto 555 G2 275/40/20
Bravado Tributes 20x10 +15mm 3mm = +12mm w/Pirelli Corsa System 295/35/20
BC Forged 20x10 +?mm w/Toyo R888R 285/35/20
Vertini RF1.3 20x10.5 +10mm w/Pirelli Corsa (R?) 295/35/20
Ferrada FR3 20x10.5 +15mm 5mm = +10mm 5x114.3mm w/Nitto 555R 275/40/20

Known good combinations rear (w/o mods)

Bravado Tribute 18x10 +20mm w/MT R's 305/45/18
OEM HC w/Nitto G2 295/40/20
Triumph Performance 20x10.5 +22mm w/? 315/35/20
Factory Repro Demon 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Continental ExtremeContact Sport 305/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm w/Toyo Proxes Plus 4 315/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm w/Nitto Invo 315/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Pirelli P-Zero 315/35/20
Voxx Demon Replica 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Nitto 555 G2 315/35/20
Bravado Tributes 20x11 +21mm 3mm = +18mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20
Bravado Tributes 20x11 +21mm w/Pirelli Corsa R 295/35/20
Tirerack V70 Factory repro 20x11 +27mm 5mm = +22mm w/Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G2 305/35/20
BC Forged 20x11 +?mm w/Toyo R888R 315/30/20
Replika 20x11 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Maxtrek Fortis 315/35/20
Vertini RF1.3 20x11 +18mm w/Pirelli Corsa (R?) 295/35/20
Ferrada FR3 20x11.5 +15mm 5x114.3mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20

Known workable combinations (require mods to eliminate rub)

Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 w/MT Street 305/35/20
m392 20x11 +24mm w/Cooper RS3-S Zeon 305/35/20
Bravado Tributes 20x11 +21mm w/Continental DW 315/35/20
PKAD HR5 20x11 +21mm w/Continental DWS 06 315/35/20
PKAD HR5 20x11 +21mm w/Toyo R888R 305/35/20
PKAD HR5 20x11 +21mm w/Nitto NT 555R 305/35/20 (needs slight fender trim)

Known-bad combinations (rub)

Tirerack V70 Factory repro 20x11 +27mm w/Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G2 305/35/20
Tirerack V70 Factory repro 20x11 +27mm w/315
Tirerack V70 Factory repro 20x11 +27mm 8mm = +19mm w/315
? Replica Daytona 20x11 +?mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20




WB Challenger Tire & Wheel combinations, stock height

Known good combinations front/square (w/o mods)

BC Forged HCA162S 20x11 w/Nitto NT555G2 305/35/20
PKAD HC707D 20x11 w/Pirelli P Zero 305/35/20
OEM HC WB w/Nitto NT555R 305/45/18
OEM HC WB w/Nitto NT555 G2 315/35ZR-20
OEM HC WB w/Continental EC DWS 315/35/20

Known good combinations rear (w/o mods)

PKAD HC707D 20x11 Pirelli P Zero 335/30/20

Known workable combinations (require mods to eliminate rub)


Known-bad combinations (rub)
 
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Charger Tire & Wheel combinations, stock height

See Challenger post above--same specs.
The Charger has a bit more room, so everything that fits the Challenger should fit the Charger just fine.
Below contains only differences, or combinations not tested yet on a Challenger.

Known good combinations front/square (w/o mods)

OEM HC w/Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 295/40/20
Factory Repro HC 20x9.5 +15mm w/Continental ExtremeContact Sport 275/40/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm 8mm = +17mm w/Continental DWS 06 295/40/20
Vertini RF1.3 20x10.5 +10mm w/Toyo R888R 285/35/20
Ferrada FR4 22x9.5 +12mm w/ Goodyear Eagle F1 Asym 3 265/35/22

Known good combinations rear (w/o mods)

Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm 8mm = +17mm w/Continental DWS 06 315/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Continental ExtremeContact Sport 315/35/20
Factory Repro HC 20x10.5 +27mm w/Michelin Pilot SS 315/35/20
Velgen VFMP10 20x11 +?mm w/? 315/35/20
Vertini RF1.3 20x11 +18mm w/Toyo R888R 305/35/20
Ferrada FR4 22x11 +20mm w/Pirelli Pzero Nero GT 305/30/22

Known workable combinations (require mods to eliminate rub)
 
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Challenger Tire & Wheel combinations, lowered

Known good combinations front/square (w/o mods)

OEM HC w/Michelin PS4S 285/35/20 lowered ~1.2" w/KW adjustable springs
BC Forged EH171 Satin Black 20x10 +20mm Michelin PSS K2 285/35/20 lowered ?" w/Eibach Pro kit
Triumph SX7 20x10 +6mm w/Michelin PS4S 285/35/20 lowered ?

Known good combinations rear (w/o mods)

? 20x10 +25mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20 lowered 1-1.5" w/Eibach (very close fit)
Triumph Forged ? 20x10.5 +27mm w/Nitto NT05R DR 315/35/20 lowered 1"
Replika R179A 20x11 +25mm w/Nitto 555R 295/35/20 lowered ~2" w/H&R
Bravado Tributes 20x11 +21mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20 lowered 0.5"
Triumph SX7 20x11.5 +?mm w/? 335/30/20 lowered ?
FR 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Nitto 555 G2 315/35/20 lowered ?

Known workable combinations (require mods to eliminate rub)

Replika R179A 20x11 +25mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20 lowered ~2" w/H&R
BC Forged EH171 Satin Black 20x11 +21mm 3mm = +18mm Michelin PSS K2 315/35/20 lowered ?" w/Eibach Pro kit (fender liner needs modding)
Triumph SX7 20x12 +19mm w/Michelin PS4S 345/35/20 lowered ?

Known-bad combinations

20x11 +25mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20

Charger Tire & Wheel combinations, lowered

Known good combinations front/square (w/o mods)

Stance SF03 20x10 +21mm w/Nitto 555 G2 275/40/20 lowered w/Eibach Challenger Sportline springs

Known good combinations rear (w/o mods)

Stance SF03 20x11 +24mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20 lowered w/Eibach Challenger Sportline springs
 
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Some Known Wheel Choices with sizes

OEM HC 2015/16 20x9.5 +18.5mm 29lbs
OEM HC 5-spoke 20x9.5 +18.5mm 25.67lbs

Factory Repro 2015/16 HC 20x9.5 +15mm 29lbs
Factory Repro 5-spoke HC: 20x9.5 ?mm
Factory Repro 5-spoke HC: 20x10.5 +25mm 30.8lbs

Factory Repro 5-spoke Demon 20x9.5 +15mm 30.6lbs
Factory Repro 5-spoke Demon 20x10.5 +22mm 28.8lbs

PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x9.5 +15mm 26lbs
PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x10.5 +25mm 27.55lbs
PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x11 +21mm 27.65lbs

PK Autodesign HC707 5-spoke Demon 20x9.5 +15mm 24lbs
PK Autodesign HC707 5-spoke Demon 20x10.5 +22mm
PK Autodesign HC707 5-spoke Demon 20x11 ?mm
PK Autodesign HC707 5-spoke Demon 18x10.5 ?mm

Avant Garde F531
front: 20x10 +15mm
rear: 20x11 +10mm

BC Forged EH171 Satin Black
front: 20x10 +20mm
rear: 20x11 +21mm

Bravado Tribute
front: 20x9.5 +18mm
rear: 20x11 +21mm

Tire Rack V70 factory repro 20x11 +27mm 35.6lbs

SM V80
front: 20x9.5 +18mm

Stance SF03
front: 20x10 +21mm
rear: 20x11 +24mm

Triumph Forged 20x10.5 +27mm (may need spacer depending on tire)
Triumph Performance 20x10.5 +22mm

m392 20x11 +24mm 3mm = +21mm

Ferrada FR3 (5x114.3mm)
front: 20x10.5 +15mm 5mm = +10mm w/Nitto 555R 275/40/20
rear: 20x11.5 +15mm w/Nitto 555R 305/35/20

Vertini RF1.3
front: 10.5 +10mm w/Pirelli Corsa (R?) 295/35/20
rear: 11 +18mm w/Pirelli Corsa (R?) 295/35/20

Voxx Demon Replica
front: 20x9.5 +20mm w/Nitto 555 G2 275/40/20
rear: 20x10.5 +25mm 3mm = +22mm w/Nitto 555 G2 315/35/20
 
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Tire data from common choices

coming soon.. as soon as table support gets added to the forum

data will be for at least:

Pirelli PZero
Pirelli PZero Nero AS
Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06
Continental ExtremeContact Sport
Michelin PSS
Michelin PS4S
Nitto NT 555 G2
Nitto NT 555R
Nitto NT05
Toyo R888R

any others requested or that I notice mentioned


Tread widths for some tires are:
9.4" - 275/40/20 Pirelli P-Zero Nero AS stock
9.4" - 275/40/20 Michelin PS4S
9.5" - 275/40/20 Conti EC DWS 06
9.8" - 275/40/20 Conti ECS
9.9" - 285/30/20 Conti EC DWS 06
10.0" - 285/35/20 Conti ECS
10.0" - 295/35/20 Michelin PS4S <-- notice, tirerack shows the tread width of this 295/35 as actually less than their 285/35
10.1" - 285/35/20 Michelin PS4S
10.2" - 295/40/20 Conti EC DWS 06
10.6" - 295/35/20 Michelin PS4S K1 Ferrari <-- this version is wider however
11.0" - 305/35/20 Conti ECS
11.2" - 315/35/20 Conti EC DWS 06
11.4" - 315/35/20 Conti ECS
11.6" - 285/35/20 Toyo R888

I can't find the tread widths for Nitto tires, but their section widths are:
10.67" - 275/40/20 Nitto 555R
12.17" - 305/35/20 Nitto 555R
 

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car: Challenger
lowered: no

front: PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x9.5 +15mm 26lbs
rear: PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x11 +21mm 27.65lbs

front: 305/35/20 Nitto NT 555R
rear: 275/40/20 Nitto NT 555 G2

front: "fits"
rear: "fits", slight fender trim at bottom rear with a razor knife. No spacer needed.

Rear tire lines up almost perfectly even with fender lip.
Front tire seems to squeal more than the stock Pirelli PZero Summer tires around tight right hand corners at >25mph :-(
 
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Thanks for taking the time to put all this together. Very helpful (y)
 

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car: Challenger
lowered: no

front: PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x9.5 +15mm 26lbs
rear: PK Autodesign HR5 Hellraiser 5-spoke HC 20x11 +21mm 27.65lbs

front: 305/35/20 Nitto NT 555R
rear: 275/40/20 Nitto NT 555 G2

front: "fits"
rear: "fits", slight fender trim at bottom rear with a razor knife. No spacer needed.

Rear tire lines up almost perfectly even with fender lip.
Front tire seems to squeal more than the stock Pirelli PZero Summer tires around tight right hand corners at >25mph :-(
Wider front, than rear?

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Drag Setup:

car: Challenger HC
lowered: no

WHEELS:
front: skinnys coming soon (will update then)
rear: Forgestar D5 Beadlocks 17x10 +30mm

TIRES:
front: coming soon
rear: 315/50/17. M/T DR's

TOTAL WEIGHTS:
Front
: coming soon
Rear: (-30 passes) 62lbs
REF: Stock combo: 56lbs. Stock 5 spoke wheels and Pirelli P-Zero 275/40/20 summer tires ( down to wear bars) 56lbs

front: "fits"
rear: rubbed through fender liner from cornering with 5mm spacers. 8 mm spacers were needed.

I did a lot of research prior to purchasing and many said that these wheels with 315's would easily fit without spacers, while others said 3 mm spacers would work. This was incorrect. I think I could have gotten away with 6 mm spacers. But I drive the car to the drag strip with these 315s because I'm only 20 minutes away. The root of the problem is the tire has so much sidewall that it flexes when going around corners and I believe that's what rubbed through my fender liner.

Rear tire lines up almost perfectly even with fender lip.
Front tires coming soon.
 
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Is the +30mm total or before adding 8mm of spacers?
 

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Is the +30mm total or before adding 8mm of spacers?
Before.

Pretty surprising since these are being sold as direct bolt-on's for challengers. Not so direct when I have to wait 2 more weeks to get proper spacers to finish the install properly.
 

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