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2019 "Poverty Pak" Widebody Challenger

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Necessity is the mother of invention. Needed to devise a way to keep the battery charged while parked. Only problem is the car backed in so getting to the battery is stupid difficult, and the front end of these cars are sealed up tighter than a nun's... err... moving on. Plus having the hood popped open under the car cover bothers me.

So I "popped" out the PS head light plug and ran the leads I made through it. Bingo. Done. Zip tied an old microfiber to the sheathing for peace of mind.

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I also swapped out the worm gear hose clamps on the catch can for more professional looking constant torque units.

Nothing left to do until Spring.
 


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Necessity is the mother of invention. Needed to devise a way to keep the battery charged while parked. Only problem is the car backed in so getting to the battery is stupid difficult, and the front end of these cars are sealed up tighter than a nun's... err... moving on. Plus having the hood popped open under the car cover bothers me.

So I "popped" out the PS head light plug and ran the leads I made through it. Bingo. Done. Zip ties an old microfiber to the sheathing for peace of mind.

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I also swapped out the worm gear hose clamps on the catch can for more professional looking constant torque units.

Nothing left to do until Spring.
Nothing left to do but wait and dream of driving the car.... True torture!

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Nothing left to do but wait and dream of driving the car.... True torture!

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On the automotive side I have a garage full of projects and an 11 second Winter-ready toy - so life ain't that bad.
 


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On the automotive side I have a garage full of projects and an 11 second Winter-ready toy - so life ain't that bad.
Lucky Bastard. Lol

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Welp, I just got notice my Barton shifter was delivered. Now I just need to order this stuff:

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Modding will continue until morale improves.
Summit had a flash discount yesterday, the M/T front runners went on sale, and shipping is still free to Canaderp - so an order was placed for the above parts. The sales guy was super cool and helped me split my order so I could use the discount code twice.

I am so looking forward to having this car on bigs n' littles next year.

I went with the HP Tuners cable because by the time I factored in shipping on the Z Automotive part it would have been as expensive as the HP Tuners unit - and since I am going to be into the dash installing the Barton this is just as well. Plus, my kids won't have the ability to yank on this one.
 


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Lots of "not ordered" options on this one, and what I did option it with is less than 10%. I knew I was taking the path less traveled - but, this is an extreme divergence. Interesting that 21.5% of all widebodies came with a stick, and 20 in White Knuckle.

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It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...

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You just wait till next weekend . My son has a hockey tournament in Michigan so over the past few months I have been buying a part here and a part there and having them shipped to my buddies house which just happens to be on the way to the hotel we are staying in .....

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You just wait till next weekend . My son has a hockey tournament in Michigan so over the past few months I have been buying a part here and a part there and having them shipped to my buddies house which just happens to be on the way to the hotel we are staying in .....
"...just so happens". You travel hockey parents are maniacs; I'd need "deal sweeteners" for that kind of effort too.

I am pretty much done buying stuff for this car now. I cannot remember the last time I said that about any car I had...

Okay, I lied... I am looking to land some of those 50th Anniversary widebody wheels to mount race rubber on.
 


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"...just so happens". You travel hockey parents are maniacs; I'd need "deal sweeteners" for that kind of effort too.

I am pretty much done buying stuff for this car now. I cannot remember the last time I said that about any car I had...

Okay, I lied... I am looking to land some of those 50th Anniversary widebody wheels to mount race rubber on.
Yes .......... Hockey parents are nuts . I thought it was mandatory!

And no you are not done buying parts for your car .... Don't kid yourself.

Let me see ...... Free shipping with in the USA and 18 other families that will help declaring stuff ..it sweet deal of you ask me ! Lol

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Yes .......... Hockey parents are nuts . I thought it was mandatory!

And no you are not done buying parts for your car .... Don't kid yourself.

Let me see ...... Free shipping with in the USA and 18 other families that will help declaring stuff ..it sweet deal of you ask me ! Lol
I could tell you stories about some of the border crossing shenanigans we got up to in our younger days - but I am not sure if the statute of limitations has passed yet - so I won't.
 


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Revised configuration details came in (edited above), a couple more oil filters, and a replacement handle for my Barton shifter. Plmcrzy and Barton are great folks to deal with.
 


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Been pretty quiet on the Hellcat front lately. But it's Winter, right?

However, I did just renew my autocross club membership for the coming season. Nice that the family is much more self-sufficient these days allowing me to return to my passion of killing cones... our kids should get a kick out of watching until they are old enough for ride-alongs (or taking the wheel).

Excited to see how this big white whale holds up.
 


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Was digging through the SCCA classification autocross rulebook and double-checking my numbers for this season, and thought I would share this tidbit about what a stock Hellcat stacks up against. Ironically the V6 Challenger races in D Street (up a class).

F Street (FS) - Appendix A

AMC
AMX
Javelin (V8)
Audi
A6 (V6 Supercharged) (2008-17)
A6 (V8) (1997-2011)
A7 (all) (2010-19)
S4 (V8) (2004-09)

BMW
135i & 135is (2008-13)
335d (2009-11)
335i & 335is (E9X chassis; 6-cyl Turbo) (2007-13)
3 Series (F30/F31 chassis; 6-cyl Turbo, non-M3) (2012-19)
4 Series (F32/F33/F36 chassis; 6-cyl Turbo) (2014-19)
5 series (G30/G31/G38 chassis) (2017-19)
5 series (V8)
6 series (E63/E64 & F12/F13 chassis) (2003-19)
8 series coupe
M235i (F22) (2014-16)
M240i (incl. xDrive) (2017-19)
M3 (E46 & E90/E92/E93 chassis) (2000-13)
M5 (1988-93, 2000-10)

Buick
Regal (all) (2014-19)
Grand National & Regal (V6 Turbo)

Cadillac
ATS (3.6L V6)
CTS-V & CTS-Vsport

Chevrolet
Camaro (V8 non-supercharged, NOC)
Camaro (V6, 1LE) (2017-19)
Camaro LS & LT (V6; excluding Suspension Lowering Kit and Brembo® 6-piston Front Brake Kit) (2016-19)
Camaro SS (non-1LE) (2016-19)
Camaro SS (incl. 1LE) (2010-15)
Camaro SS (base car only incl. GM-installed 1LE) (1998-2002)
Corvette (1953-62)
SS Sedan (2013-17)

Chrysler
300 (V8, all) (2004-19)
Crossfire SRT-6 (2005-06)

Datsun
280ZX Turbo

Dodge
Challenger (V8, all) (2008-19)
Charger (V8, all) (2006-19)
Magnum (V8) (2005-08)
Ram SRT10 (2004-06)
Stealth Turbo

Ford
Crown Victoria
Mustang (V8, NOC)
Mustang Boss 302 (non-Laguna Seca) (2012-13)
Mustang Bullitt (2019)
Mustang Cobra (2003-04)
Mustang GT (excluding Performance Package - Level 2) (2010-19)
Mustang Mach 1 (2003-04)
Mustang Shelby GT (T82 & 54U factory option package only) (2007-08)
Mustang SVT Cobra
Thunderbird (V8) (1955-88, 2002-05)

GMC
Syclone
Typhoon

Hyundai
Genesis Coupe (V6) (2013-15)

Infiniti
G37 Coupe & Sedan
Q45
Q50 Sport (2014-19)
Q60 (2014-19)

Jaguar
S-Type R
XJ (1998-2019)
XJ-S (1976-96)
XK8 (1997-2006)
Sedan (12-cyl)

Kia
Stinger GT, GT1, & GT2 (V6 Turbo) (2018-19)

Lexus
GS 400 (1998-2000)
IS F (2008-14)
RC (non-F) (2015-19)

Lincoln
LS (V8) (2000-06)
Mark VIII (1993-98)

Mercedes-Benz
C300 (2007-16)
C450 & C43 AMG (2015-19)
C36 AMG
C55 AMG (2005-06)
C63 AMG (non-Black Series) (2008-19)
CLK (non-V6)
E55 AMG
E Class (W212 chassis; non-AMG) (2009-16)

Mercury
Capri (V8)
Cougar (V8) (1967-88)

Mitsubishi
3000 GT Turbo

Nissan
300ZX (non-turbo) (1990-96)
300ZX Turbo (1984-89)
350Z (non-NISMO) (2003-09)
370Z (non-NISMO) (2009-19)

Pontiac
Firebird (V8, NOC)
Firebird Trans Am & Formula (WS6, base car only, including GM-installed 1LE) (1998-2002)
G8 (V8 & NOC) (2008-09)
GTO (2004-06)
Trans Am Turbo (V6) (1989)

Porsche
Panamera (2010-16)

Shelby
GT350 (1965-70)
GT500 (1967-70)

Tesla Motors
Model S (2012-14)
 


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Did some actual work yesterday. First step was to uncover everything and play musical cars.

The wagon was blocking the Kitty in:

Then out came the big white whale:

Took some beauty shots:
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Snow banks for scale.

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Tossed it up on some ramps and got to work.
 


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Stages 1 to 3: Sto-n-Go, HP Tuners bypass cable, and the Barton.

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Stage 1.

Not a whole helluva lot to this, it is two screws. I added two grommets to hold the screws in place and to help make up the space where the old screw heads fit into the recesses.

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Cross country canonball run ready!

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Stage 2.

HP Tuners bypass cable installation is pretty straightforward IF you already have your car torn apart for a shifter install. Basically this cable gets installed at the mid-point of the shifter install (see the Wiki). Getting the connector to unclip is a bit of a trick as you will be doing it blind. I took some pictures to verify what I was doing was consistent with the instructions (don't be lazy: disconnect the battery!).

It's the one on the right with the white tape, the release tab is on the backside of the connector.
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Plug A into B:

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And tucked away (I hope it doesn't rattle - LOL).

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Stages 1 to 3: Sto-n-Go, HP Tuners bypass cable, and the Barton.

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Stage 1.

Not a whole helluva lot to this, it is two screws. I added two grommets to hold the screws in place and to help make up the space where the old screw heads fit into the recesses.

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Cross country canonball run ready!

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Lucky you my driveway is gravel so inches of ice that has given way in spots from my Ram. Now that it froze again I don't think I have the ground clearance or traction to move the Cat or the Buick blocking it.😕
The plate is a nice touch.👍
The Cat looks good in those pics.😎
 


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Stage 3.

Das Barton. You probably noticed that there are two grips in the picture above, one showed up damaged and Barton replaced it without question. Good business. Anyway, swapped the inserts and shook a leg using the Wiki as a guide: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BybAs8mRALAYVFo5SlBOb2pNRFk/view?usp=drive_open

Some of the process was pretty straightforward and some was a laborious PITA. Specifically, like getting the shifter boot off the console - fear of breaking it was real even with the right tools and techniques - and fighting the large grey connector apart (silly tight for some unknown reason). In addition to the Wiki guide I also unplugged the ABS sensor (keep the battery disconnected!). After a few minutes it looked like this:

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General disassembly of the stock shifter assembly is a simple task as nothing binds and has lots of slop built into it. That changes dramatically with the Barton.

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The Wiki doesn't do a great job of showing the pins floating. so here's a hi-res picture. You will definitely need to put the PS pin in from underneath the car - especially if you have a fist full of dicks you call a hand. Just accept it. The other issue I faced was putting the retention pivot pin under the shifter handle - the bushing is tight and hard to realign - I used a series of Allen keys to get it to line up. A real treat.

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You might be able to see the little dab of black touch-up paint on the little kick-out on the PS floor pan, shifter leg rubbed there a lot. If this car ever gets stolen I now have forensic evidence to prove its mine. LOL. Like I said, the Barton is tight in the hole and starts to have interference issues with the linkage so where before everything flopped around and promoted easy access - now you have to get creative with the tools you use for reassembly.

I've read the horror stories about the fasteners loosening on these shifters, and the fact that there are 14 bolts is an exercise engineering excess. The 12 bolts that go into the shifter base got red Loctite added to them to avoid them backing out - I can afford a new shifter, not a new life or family. I'd suggest this should have just been offered as a fixed shaft. The adjustment built in is unnecessary for 99% of people buying this shifter - myself included. The bolts for the upper grip got slathered in blue Loctite - because of the potential for future disassembly. I set the shifter up so that when it is in 6th gear my hand rests naturally on it - and 1st through 5th make me reach for it forcing me to use muh muscles to slam doze gears!

For reference: I left the heavy rubber mat/shifter surround out from underneath the console - felt like 2-3lbs. There are much better ways to insulate for NVH or heat. So, if needed I'll address it then.

The last and perhaps most frustrating task was getting the shifter boot over the girthy shifter handle base. I cut out the O-ring and had to snip the stitching at the opening to get enough give - the trade off here is the positioning of the handle lock bolts and not covering them for installation. A real PITA - we'll see if the boot holds up long term or if a new solution must be sought. Again, this could have been avoided without the over-engineering.

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Tasteless ricer mods need not apply.

First impressions is how bloody awesome this shifter is. I just got an upgrade on my man-card with this. I am glad I didn't do the 5-6 shifter spring tension mod as the leverage gained from the pistol grip seems to offset the pressure enough for me (read: not a noodle-armed wussy) . This should be joy to drive after the CDV delete happens.

My Mrs is going to knit me a grip cozy to avoid burning my hand in the summer. I kinda want it to look like a penis to keep people from touching my car.
 




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