• Sign Up! To view all forums and unlock additional cool features

    Welcome to the #1 Dodge, Jeep and RAM Forum dedicated to FCA owners and enthusiasts. Register for an account, it's free and it's easy, so don't hesitate to join the SRT Forum today!


Mishimoto thermostat

Smitty

1000 Posts Club
Premium Account
HFCOTM
Member ID
#2260
Messages
1,864
Reactions
5,242
Likes
212
City
Canton
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2019 Challenger HC WB
#21
Blows my mind with all the failures with something as simple as as a thermostat. Jesus we’re not talking some high tech piece of equipment. It’s a friggin’ spring!
 


white1

Active Member
9 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#5684
Messages
267
Reactions
411
Likes
67
City
Prairieville
State
LA
Country
United States
Vehicle
2020 hellcat charger widebody
#22
Blows my mind with all the failures with something as simple as as a thermostat. Jesus we’re not talking some high tech piece of equipment. It’s a friggin’ spring!

Agreed!!!!!!!
 


Paladin06

4000 Posts Club
Founding Member
Premium Account
U.S. Army Veteran
Donating Member
HFCOTM
Member ID
#1080
Messages
4,679
Reactions
24,274
Likes
302
City
Clarksville
State
TN
Country
United States
Vehicle
2015 Challenger Hellcat/2019 Challenger Redeye
#23
Mine threw a code without a tune for the fans. After the tune I never saw a code in 5 years.
 


vortecd

Poster Club Hall of Fame
Premium Account
Donating Member
9 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#1248
Messages
49,191
Reactions
158,353
Likes
402
City
Middleville
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2016 Charger Hellcat
#24
Pretty sad we have to worry about this failing. I have the stock thermostat and a big bag ( @Speedy! idea) for catching coolant in the car just incase. I have swapped these out a few times and you can catch most of it with a bag and pour it back in to the reservoir

20220516_163721.jpg
 


16GoManGoHC2

3000 Posts Club
Founding Member
9 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#1139
Messages
3,312
Reactions
7,800
Likes
252
City
Nanticoke
State
PA
Country
United States
Vehicle
2016 Challenger He’ll Cat
#25
Pretty sad we have to worry about this failing. I have the stock thermostat and a big bag ( @Speedy! idea) for catching coolant in the car just incase. I have swapped these out a few times and you can catch most of it with a bag and pour it back in to the reservoir

View attachment 70864
Better put a 13 mm wrench in that bag too to undo the Tstat housing. I had to do it along side the road myself one time, Thank God and Advance Auto was only right down the street and I got a thermostat from them.
 


Hickster

4000 Posts Club
Founding Member
HFCOTM
Member ID
#781
Messages
4,892
Reactions
6,292
Likes
302
City
Seminole
State
FL
Country
United States
Vehicle
2018 Hellcat Challenger
#26
it is very complicated. the spring has to work and the gasket needs not to be pinched.
 


DavidKFla

Poster Club Hall of Fame
Premium Account
U.S. Air Force Veteran
10 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#6741
Messages
29,078
Reactions
129,447
Likes
402
City
East Coast
State
FL
Country
United States
Vehicle
2018 Charger Hellcat
#27
Thankfully I've never had an issue.
 


vortecd

Poster Club Hall of Fame
Premium Account
Donating Member
9 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#1248
Messages
49,191
Reactions
158,353
Likes
402
City
Middleville
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2016 Charger Hellcat
#28
Better put a 13 mm wrench in that bag too to undo the Tstat housing. I had to do it along side the road myself one time, Thank God and Advance Auto was only right down the street and I got a thermostat from them.
I already keep a bag of tools with me, have done that for years:)
 


jonx96

4000 Posts Club
8 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#4957
Messages
4,252
Reactions
10,580
Likes
302
City
Small town
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2019 Challenger Redeye
#29
I had one fail at bowling Greene. Luckily I travel with tools. Bad news. I won the race but didn’t get to win the war. It was an HHP branded one. I have since see them say they don’t recommend their tstat for a hellcat.
 


Hickster

4000 Posts Club
Founding Member
HFCOTM
Member ID
#781
Messages
4,892
Reactions
6,292
Likes
302
City
Seminole
State
FL
Country
United States
Vehicle
2018 Hellcat Challenger
#30
like i mentioned, the k n works differently in the gms than the hell cat.
 


vortecd

Poster Club Hall of Fame
Premium Account
Donating Member
9 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#1248
Messages
49,191
Reactions
158,353
Likes
402
City
Middleville
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2016 Charger Hellcat
#31
Something interesting. So Josh Schwartz was the number 1 qualifier at the NMCA hemi shootout in St. Louis this past weekend. I noticed he wasn't in the quick 8 Sunday and it was posted about his performance on facebook so I asked what happened Sunday

"we were concerned that it wouldn’t be safe for me, the car or the other racers after we had an overheat in competition on Saturday due to a cooling system parts failure so I gave up my #1 qualifying spot for Sunday in order to make sure the car is 110% ready in 4 weeks for MSHS"

thermostat?
 


Hickster

4000 Posts Club
Founding Member
HFCOTM
Member ID
#781
Messages
4,892
Reactions
6,292
Likes
302
City
Seminole
State
FL
Country
United States
Vehicle
2018 Hellcat Challenger
#32
very well could beeze. cheap and sleazy,,, just like my past women. hopefully another coming soon.
 


OP
EricG

EricG

1000 Posts Club
Premium Account
10 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#1385
Messages
1,548
Reactions
3,119
Likes
162
City
Albuquerque
State
NM
Country
United States
Vehicle
'19 Hellcat Redeye
Thread Starter #33

white1

Active Member
9 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#5684
Messages
267
Reactions
411
Likes
67
City
Prairieville
State
LA
Country
United States
Vehicle
2020 hellcat charger widebody
#34
Something interesting. So Josh Schwartz was the number 1 qualifier at the NMCA hemi shootout in St. Louis this past weekend. I noticed he wasn't in the quick 8 Sunday and it was posted about his performance on facebook so I asked what happened Sunday

"we were concerned that it wouldn’t be safe for me, the car or the other racers after we had an overheat in competition on Saturday due to a cooling system parts failure so I gave up my #1 qualifying spot for Sunday in order to make sure the car is 110% ready in 4 weeks for MSHS"

thermostat?

For tx2k we had to run straight water. After about the 5th time of flushing trying to get all the coolant out I left the thermostat out to make the process easier. I'm seriously considering leaving it out when the new engine goes in.

I learned (by accident) these vehicles (all hemis Ive experimented with) will run at 185 or higher. With a 160 thermostat, it will run 185. With a 180 thermostat it will run 185. With no thermostat it will run 185.

When the one in my scat pack failed a couple of years back, I couldn't find one local so I just put the gasket back and ran without and ordered a thermostat. My temps stayed the same as they had with the 180, and heater performance in the winter seemed unaffected (I do live in south Louisiana so we don't get cold cold, but do have a few mornings in the upper 20's to lower 30's)

I understand the point of a thermostat, however if your temps are similar with or without, I'm not sure I see any harm running without
 


OP
EricG

EricG

1000 Posts Club
Premium Account
10 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#1385
Messages
1,548
Reactions
3,119
Likes
162
City
Albuquerque
State
NM
Country
United States
Vehicle
'19 Hellcat Redeye
Thread Starter #35
The one that opened and closed most consistently around 180, purchased from 3 different stores as 3 different brand boxes but all motorads inside each View attachment 70656 View attachment 70657 View attachment 70658 box, all around 10$ each. I always test T stats before use, I bring them up to temp very slow and watch which one cracks first, get fully open first, and closes correctly then make a pick and return the others for refund lol.
Ah yes, the good ol' Motorad 4128! I have been using them since 2007, bet I've done at least 20 thermostat swaps. So I've never had a problem with them, but I feel like I read about a lot of failures on them over the past 2 years, saw some mentions of the Mishimoto so I thought I would give it a try. I think it was almost $50 too.

So the Motorad/Jet/whatever seems to hit 187-188, then settles to 185 after airflow and open loop mixing...the Mishimoto seems to open at around 177-178, mix for a bit, then adjust up to 185. I only threw a code one time over the years with the Motorad/Jet, did right away with the Mishimoto. Will probably swap back. I drive to work early in the morning and my car just gets up to operating temp by the time I get to work so I think I really test the code threshold.

Interesting/funny, one time with my Scat Pack around 2018 I went out to lunch with my boss and I was driving, it was summertime hot, had a Jet 180 in it. On the way back we were ripping around, A/C on, all the sudden I see my coolant temp gauge spike to 270! Limped the car back to work, called Dodge Cares, got it towed to the dealer and they replaced the water pump and tstat under warranty. Car ran fine after. Anyway, i always wondered if my tstat broke in the closed position then. Guess I'll never know...
 


Last edited:

jonx96

4000 Posts Club
8 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#4957
Messages
4,252
Reactions
10,580
Likes
302
City
Small town
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2019 Challenger Redeye
#36
I already keep a bag of tools with me, have done that for years:)
Well you used to drive mustangs so this makes sense :ROFLMAO:
 


vortecd

Poster Club Hall of Fame
Premium Account
Donating Member
9 Second Best E/T
HFCOTM
Member ID
#1248
Messages
49,191
Reactions
158,353
Likes
402
City
Middleville
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2016 Charger Hellcat
#37
Well you used to drive mustangs so this makes sense :ROFLMAO:
I found over the years when modifying cars there can be issues. I would keep spare parts (old take offs) in my car like a blower belt or idler pulley just in case. The tools were needed by other people more then me when hanging out at the lot on the weekends:)
 


Smitty

1000 Posts Club
Premium Account
HFCOTM
Member ID
#2260
Messages
1,864
Reactions
5,242
Likes
212
City
Canton
State
MI
Country
United States
Vehicle
2019 Challenger HC WB
#38
I found over the years when modifying cars there can be issues. I would keep spare parts (old take offs) in my car like a blower belt or idler pulley just in case. The tools were needed by other people more then me when hanging out at the lot on the weekends:)
Even on my normal vehicles I keep some basic tools on hand. Amazing how handy a screwdriver or a pair of pliers can be. And on longer trips it seems I have half the tool box in the car. Oh and don’t forget the duct tape. 🤔
 


Hickster

4000 Posts Club
Founding Member
HFCOTM
Member ID
#781
Messages
4,892
Reactions
6,292
Likes
302
City
Seminole
State
FL
Country
United States
Vehicle
2018 Hellcat Challenger
#39
my last name is duck,,, and i invented the duckster tape. comes in many flavors now,,, like sour doogh,, boy.
 


OP
EricG

EricG

1000 Posts Club
Premium Account
10 Second Best E/T
Member ID
#1385
Messages
1,548
Reactions
3,119
Likes
162
City
Albuquerque
State
NM
Country
United States
Vehicle
'19 Hellcat Redeye
Thread Starter #40
Small update here, swapped back to the Jet 180/Motorad 4128 unit and my code P0128 has gone away after a few days.

This one climbs to 188-190, then opens and settles at 185 or so(when air is moving through the car of course).
 




Top